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En explorant le site ci-dessus, je suis tombé sur ça :
http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G79/115/38/PDF/G7911538.pdf?OpenElement

Comme la Vénus de Milo, les bras m'en tombent.

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Je vois que c'est la même chose pour mon lien. Au bout de quelques heures, il n'est plus accessible.
Contournement :
Arriver à la zone de recherche comme précédemment
Taper : Neak Luong et cliquer sur "Search by symbol" puis "search the ODS".
Aller en page 4.
Premier lien.

Edit : Ou taper : E/CN.4/1343 dans la zone de recherche.

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PS : j’ai lu vos échanges sur un forum vietnamien au sujet de ces traités.
Je vous encourage à signifier à votre interlocuteur que les FNL et le nord Vietnam ont accepté les frontières khmères en 1967. Ces frontières sont certainement celles que l’ont trouve sur les cartes fournies aux USA, car les traités de 1982, 1985, 2005, portent sur la clarification des zones litigieuses mis en exergue dans l’ISB n°155.



Bonjour à Vous

Rien trouvé de précis jusqu'ici sur ces accords ou "déclarations de 1967" entre Cambodia, RDVN et NLF, sauf ceci qui confirme votre info :

[As a price for accepting this unwelcome extension of Vietnamese influence into the border region,
the Cambodian government of Prince Norodom Sihanouk sought to extract a commitment from Hanoi to a settlement of the long-standing territorial dispute.
In mid-1967,both the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam and the Democratic Republic of Vietnam(North Vietnam) made unilateral declarations which recognised Cambodia’s existing borders.
Sihanouk later added his own interpretation to these statements, declaring that Vietnam had
also renounced any right to a future renegotiation of the boundary line.
At the same time, he suggested that the Vietnamese pronouncements in effect gave Cambodia the unilateral right to interpret any ambiguity in the existing frontier
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While the Vietnamese were understandablyuneasy with Sihanouk’s interpretations, concern for the war effort left Hanoi little choice but to accept them temporarily as the price for Cambodian neutrality.
]

- c'est dans ce "enième bouquin" intitulé figurant en PDF sur ce lien :
International Boundaries Research Unit
BOUNDARY & TERRITORY BRIEFING
Volume 2 Number 6

The Land Boundaries of Indochina:
Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam
Ronald Bruce St John


et figurant en PDF à l'intérieur de ce lien :
https://www.dur.ac.uk/ibru/publications/view/?id=213

ps pour info : tous les liens vers les docs UN que f6exb et vous-même avez indiqués sur K-N me sont inaccessibles : dommage;



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Même http://documents.un.org/s.html ne mène à rien ?

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SI, si sans problème là

et j'obtiens en effet le même "panneau"

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Dans le rectangle, il faut coller ou taper ce que dit koma_v puis "search".
On obtient :

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Bonjour M. Robin des Bois

Vous pourrez en profiter pour consulter le document S/ 5741 mit en exergue par M. Bora Touch dans sa phrase "It was these maps to which the UN Security Council Decision (Doc.S/5741) of 4 June 1964 referred". Vous pourrez en particulier vérifier que nulle part dans ce document il n'est fait mention de cartes. Ce problème de non vérification des sources est récurent pour jauger sérieusement l'argumentaire d'organismes ou de personnes insistant sur le fait que le gouvernement de Hun Sen brade le dossier frontalier (comme par exemple l'argumentaire pleins d'inexactitude de feu de CCF). Et je remercie M. f6exb pour son explication liée à l'accès aux documents de l'ONU.

Dans un autre ordre d'idée:
Ci dessous la liste des documents déclassifiés sur la période qui nous intéresse et qui concerne le Cambodge.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v23/ch3
https://www.history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v27/ch3

la liste des références étant donnée ici:
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v23/sources
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v27/sources

Il n'y a aucune référence à POL 32-2 CAMB, et aucun télégramme tels que celui donné en annexe 9 de la requête en précision sur le temple de Preah Vihear (bien que les télégrammes en lignes pour la période de mars 1964 se réfère comme celui de l'annexe 9 à une conférence à 4 - voir par exemple celui ci:
https://www.history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v27/d114)

Peut-on imaginer que tout n'est pas déclassifié?

En tous les cas, l'annexe 9 tend à faire pencher encore plus la balance vers l’inexistence des cartes en prj. Bonne déposées à l'onu en 1964 (et vers le piège tendus par Hun Sen à l'opposition), car si ces cartes existaient, le gouvernement les auraient demandées à ce moment là, au lieu de demander une copie des cartes envoyées aux USA.

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En dehors du bornage même des frontières du Cambodge ,
peut-être eut- il fallu penser plutôt à ce dossier sorti par le Cambodia Daily !
Mais laisser sous- entendre que c'est de la "faute des agriculteurs khmers", alors que le pouvoir khmer établit des baux emphytéotiques de 99 ans portant sur des milliers d'hectares, faut pas "manquer de culot" !!!

- sur ce lien du Cambodia daily
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/interior-mini...ays-borderland-leases-a-sovereign-concern-97730/

- le titre et le début d'un article fort intéressant dans le détail :

Interior Minister Says Borderland Leases a Sovereign Concern
by Kuch Naren | October 21, 2015

[Interior Minister Sar Kheng has ordered the governors of all provinces bordering Thailand, Vietnam and Laos to report back with information about villagers renting farmland along the border to people from the neighboring countries, citing concerns over losing territory.

A letter signed by Mr. Kheng on October 9 and obtained Tuesday said that the Interior Ministry has grown concerned about Cambodian citizens renting their land to foreigners along the border and later losing access to it
.] ... ...



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En lisant le PPP , j'ai envie de ressortir notre dossier des "frontières khméro-vietnamienne"

- sur ce lien du PPP :
http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/french-assistance-sticking-point-vietnam-border-meeting

- cet article :

French assistance sticking point at Vietnam border meeting
Tue, 30 August 2016
Phak Seangly and Mech Dara

A six-hour, closed-door meeting of the Cambodia-Vietnam Border Committee ended inconclusively last night, with the two countries unable to agree on how much assistance they should request from the French government in settling ongoing border demarcation issues.
The head of Cambodia’s committee, senior minister Var Kimhong, said yesterday that his Vietnamese counterparts submitted a seven-point list of areas they felt French assistance was warranted, only two of which the Cambodian delegation have agreed to thus far.
“Frankly, we don’t agree. The two points are a lot already,”
Kimhong said, adding that the remaining five could be solved without outside intervention.

He declined to elaborate on the content of the list before a final agreement has been reached. However, he did say that the focus of the meeting was on the drafting of a letter requesting 1/100,000 and 1/50,000-scale maps of the border from France.
Long Visalo, Foreign Affairs Ministry secretary of state who also attended the meeting, said that specific border issues in Ratanakkiri – including the digging of nine agricultural wells and the construction of a concrete police post in a disputed border area – were also discussed.
“I protested that if they dare to continue building, I will make them dismantle it,”
Visalo said, adding that the Vietnamese contingent promised to convey his complaints to their superiors and get back to the Cambodian delegation at a later date.
Le Hoai Trung, Vietnam’s deputy minister of foreign affairs and chief of the country’s border committee, did not respond to reporters’ questions as he left the meeting.
The signing of a memorandum on the day’s events was postponed to this morning due to disagreements between the parties, according to Koy Pisey, deputy chief of the Cambodian Border Affairs Committee.
But one thing both sides could agree on was the necessity of allocating significant funds toward the installation of 1,000 border demarcation posts, according to Kimhong.

“It costs millions of dollars and will have to make use of the national budget,”
Kimhong said, explaining that planting the posts on dry land will cost $3,000 to $5,000, while maritime posts will cost up to $100,000 apiece, with the cost being split between the two countries.
Meanwhile, attempts by Cambodian Youth Party representatives to deliver a letter of protest to the Vietnamese Embassy were ignored, according to party president Pich Sros, who said the group will protest to “shut down Vietnamese markets” if they don’t get a reply.


*** ai-je bien compris ? Suis-je éveillé ou dors-je ???
... on souhaite demander l'aide de la France !!!!
... et il faut du pognon pour installer 1 000 bornes-frontière : je rêve !!!


******Aaaaarrrrggghhh, mais le Ministre des AE de la France : c'est AYRAULT, (notre ex-maire de Nantes à AEKREACH et à moi !!!)
- en étant " langue de Pute", je dirais qu'il n'y connaît rien de rien ...
...par contre il pourrait très bien embaucher le nantais AEKREACH comme Conseiller personnel sur ce dossier


( ps : perso , je commencerais par lui donner un cours accéléré sur le dossier "Ambassade de France d'Avril-Mai 1975... et sur le "père HUN Sen et sa bande mafieuse" du RPK de 1979...)











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Fin des 2 journées de travail du "Comité mixte des frontières Cambodge-Vietnam"

* Communiqué final : version "Vietnam + " (= "JO bis"):
http://fr.vietnamplus.vn/reunion-vietnamcambodge...a-delimitation-de-la-frontiere-commune/79347.vnp

Réunion Vietnam-Cambodge sur la délimitation de la frontière commune
mardi 30 août 2016 - 10:03:55

Phnom Penh (VNA) - Le Vietnam et le Cambodge ont organisé, les 29 et 30 août à Phnom Penh, une réunion au niveau de président du Comité mixte sur la délimitation des frontières Vietnam-Cambodge.
La partie vietnamienne a été représentée par le vice-ministre et président du Comité national des frontières du ministère des Affaires étrangères, Le Hoai Trung et la partie cambodgienne, par le ministre chargé des affaires frontalières Var Kimhong.
Les deux parties ont reconnu les efforts des organes compétents vietnamiens et cambodgiens qui ont contribué à accomplir 83% des travaux de délimitation et de bornage de la frontière entre les deux pays.
Les responsables vietnamiens et cambodgiens sont convenus de respecter les accords et conventions conclus sur les frontières et le territoire, dont l'Accord sur le statut de gestion des frontières de 1983 et le communiqué de presse commun rendu public le 17 janvier 1995.
Ils se sont accordés pour inviter des experts internationaux à aider au règlement des questions en suspens dans la délimitation des frontières entre les deux parties, perfectionner les documents sur le délimitation et le bornage de 83% de la frontière commune et, enfin, stabiliser la vie de ls populations frontalières.
Le Hoai Trung et Var Kimhong se sont déclarés satisfaits des bonnes relations entre les deux peuples le long de la frontière commune, de la multiplication de l'échange de délégations et du renforcement de la coopération économique, commerciale et d'investissement.
A cette occasion, Le Hoai Trung est venu saluer le ministre cambodgien des Affaires étrangères et de la Coopération internationale, Prak Sokhonn. -VNA

* Version anglaise du Cambodia Daily reprenant les propos de Var KIMHONG
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/cambodia-vietnam-split-border-official-says-117374/

Cambodia and Vietnam Split Over Border, Official Says
by Khuon Narim | August 31, 2016

A Joint Border Committee meeting between Cambodia and Vietnam ended in Phnom Penh yesterday without a statement, and with Cambodia’s minister in charge of border affairs saying a dispute had broken out about the legal principle of “uti possidetis.”
Var Kimhong, speaking at the Council of Ministers building after the two-day meeting, did not say specifically what the discord was about—only that Vietnam rejected Cambodia’s claims that the principle should apply to demarcation of the border.
With stretches of the border remaining disputed, Mr. Kimhong said Cambodia had argued that uti possidetis—that countries continue to possess the territory they had at colonial independence—be applied by following French colonial maps.
There was no result, because we did not agree on the principle of uti possidetis,” Mr. Kimhong said.
“The reason we did not agree on this principle was because we clearly understand the importance of uti possidetis when Cambodia received independence in 1953, but our friends did not agree,” he said.
Mr. Kimhong said the Vietnamese had argued that the principle did not apply, as it had been superseded by a number of treaties signed since Hanoi installed a new government in Phnom Penh in 1979.
“I explained to them that what they think is not right, because the principle of uti possidetis is a principle of international law, because international law is not affected by any treaties,” he said.
Vietnamese officials did not speak to reporters after the meeting, heading straight to the airport.
Over the past 18 months, the demarcation of the Cambodia-Vietnam border has been one of the biggest political issues in the country, with the opposition CNRP having led a campaign last year accusing the government of ceding large stretches of land to Vietnam.
An opposition lawmaker and a senator are presently in jail in relation to the campaign, with Prime Minister Hun Sen threatening to arrest anyone who claims that the government had used Vietnamese-drawn maps to demarcate the borderline.
Mr. Kimhong said the dispute during the meeting showed the government was no pushover.
“Border affairs are a sensitive issue that the government led by Samdech Techo [Mr. Hun Sen] has paid attention to, and he has never allowed them step on our territorial sovereignty,” he said.
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pour rdb : assez facile à comprendre avec les 2 dates citées : 1953 ou 1979 !!!
parce que entre ces 2 dates, y a eu quelques "tremblements de terre frontaliers dans le coin "!!!
Il serait temps de choisir clairement la bonne date !!!! .....




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et un petit peu d' énervement dans l'air frontalier khméro-vietnamien, via les réseaux sociaux ...

- sur ce lien du CD
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/hanoi-decries-online-posts-slamming-prime-minister-117434/
- cet article :

Hanoi Decries Online Posts Slamming Prime Minister
by Khuon Narim | September 1, 2016 |


The Vietnamese government distanced itself on Wednesday from angry posts its citizens made on Prime Minister Hun Sen’s Facebook page, saying the platform should not be used to inflame tensions between “good neighbors.”
The statement from the Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs stopped short, however, of meeting demands by its Cambodian counterparts to “punish” Vietnamese Facebook users who made scathing comments in response to Cambodia’s South China Sea stance.
The Cambodian Ministry of Foreign Affairs sent to the media on Wednesday some translated excerpts from a response it said it had received from Vietnam.
We do not agree with using the right of freedom of expression to insult someone or to break up traditionally good sentiment between people of both countries,” the statement said.
Vietnam has a very important relationship and cooperates as a good neighbor with Cambodia,” it said.
In past years, Vietnam has worked with Cambodia to maintain peaceful and good relations for the joint interest of people of both counties.”
The response followed a statement on Sunday by the Cambodian Foreign Affairs Ministry urging Vietnamese authorities to identify those “who have committed the immoral acts insulting the leader of Cambodia.”
That statement, signed by ministry spokesman Chum Sounry, urged Hanoi “to punish those people in order to maintain the honor and dignity of the leader of Cambodia.”
Mr. Sounry declined to comment on Wednesday on whether Vietnam had adequately addressed the ministry’s concerns.
A small but vocal group of Vietnamese users have taken to Mr. Hun Sen’s Facebook page in recent weeks and accused him of kowtowing to generous benefactors in Beijing in the ongoing South China Sea territorial dispute, which has pitted Vietnam and other Asean members against China.
Vietnam has sacrificed both our blood and money to save the Cambodian people from genocide. Now Hun Sen is turning his back on Vietnam,”
said one comment last week.

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ps de rdb : ce qui est "curieux, c'est que le Vietnam est certainement un des pays qui emprisonne le plus facilement ses propres internautes vietnamiens : la Liberté d'expression = ZERO
... y aurait pas enfin de l'eau dans le gaz, par hasard !!

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...Var Kimhong, speaking at the Council of Ministers building after the two-day meeting, did not say specifically what the discord was about—only that Vietnam rejected Cambodia’s claims that the principle should apply to demarcation of the border.
With stretches of the border remaining disputed, Mr. Kimhong said Cambodia had argued that uti possidetis—that countries continue to possess the territory they had at colonial independence—be applied by following French colonial maps.
There was no result, because we did not agree on the principle of uti possidetis,” Mr. Kimhong said.
“The reason we did not agree on this principle was because we clearly understand the importance of uti possidetis when Cambodia received independence in 1953, but our friends did not agree,” he said.
Mr. Kimhong said the Vietnamese had argued that the principle did not apply, as it had been superseded by a number of treaties signed since Hanoi installed a new government in Phnom Penh in 1979.
“I explained to them that what they think is not right, because the principle of uti possidetis is a principle of international law, because international law is not affected by any treaties,” he said.
Vietnamese officials did not speak to reporters after the meeting, heading straight to the airport.




Y en a qui "chiadent sérieusement leur dossier" maintenant !! (***)
Mieux vaut tard que jamais

"UTI POSSIDETIS JURIS"
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis_juris

* Petits extraits du WIKI( mais l'article est à lire entièrement SVP)
...[ Provenant du droit romain, le principe de l'intangibilité des frontières autorise une partie à contester et à réclamer un territoire qui a été acquis par la guerre ]
...[Le même principe fut appliqué à l'Afrique et à l'Asie lors du retrait des puissances européennes]


...etc ...etc

(***)... mais je soupçonne l'exécutif cambodgien de bénéficier de "l'Assistance Juridique Gratuite de leur Assureur chinois"!!


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...encore un dossier chaud- chaud- chaud, qui ressort.
Comme par hasard, c'est encore de la faute de ces "maudits Barangs" en 1949 !

-sur ce lien du Cambodia daily :
https://www.cambodiadaily.com/second2/report-highlights-closed-path-citizenship-khmer-krom-124192/

- cet article
Report Highlights Closed Path to Citizenship for Khmer Krom
by Hannah Hawkins and Sek Odom
| January 27, 2017

Many Khmer Krom people living in Cambodia struggle to gain proper identification documents—despite the government repeatedly declaring them “automatic citizens”—and face social and economic hardships as a result, according to a new report.
Citizenship Rights for Khmer Krom in Cambodia,” being released today by the Alliance for Conflict Transformation, the Cambodian Center for Human Rights (CCHR) and Khmer Kampuchea Krom for Human Rights and Development Association, describes the disadvantages experienced by the ethnic minority that has been marginalized in both Cambodia and Vietnam.
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Khmer Krom supporters march and play music during a ceremony on 2014 to mark the 65th anniversary of the day France’s Cochinchina colony, which included Kampuchea Krom, was officially handed over to Vietnam. (Siv Channa)

The group hails from an area in southern Vietnam known as Kampuchea Krom, which previously belonged to Cambodia, but was officially ceded to Vietnam by colonial France in 1949.
Although Khmer Krom largely share the same culture, language and religion with Khmers in Cambodia, their Vietnamese-sounding names and accents have made them victims of discrimination in Cambodia, where anti-Vietnamese sentiment remains rampant.
The report is based on interviews conducted last year with 264 Khmer Krom who did not have Cambodian ID cards, 95.7 percent of whom were born outside the country.
Vietnam-born Khmer Krom, upon setting up their new lives in Cambodia, are soon confronted with the almost impossible task of proving their origins, the report says.
Across the country, about 20 to 30 percent of all Khmer Krom, out of hundreds of thousands, lack ID cards, which are needed to access basic citizenship rights such as health care, education, land ownership, employment and passports, the report says.
“Many are denied registration for births and marriages without identification cards, resulting in the creation of a generation of people who lack documentation,” it says.
When asked what types of difficulties they faced in Cambodia, 60.6 percent said they were discriminated against on the basis that Khmer Krom were believed to be Vietnamese, while 41.9 percent referred to a lack of official recognition from local authorities as an obstacle.
Thach Sinm, a 41-year-old Khmer Krom resident of Siem Reap City, who has lived in Cambodia for about eight years, said he had struggled to acquire official documentation in Cambodia.
“It’s been many years that I have not had an identification card or family book. Because my family name is Thach, they claimed my nationality is Yuon,” he said, using a sometimes derogatory term for Vietnamese, adding that he has also been unable to register to vote.
Mr. Sinm said he had also been discriminated against by ordinary Cambodians.
Cambodians always call us ‘Yuon.’ I think they never know much about what the Khmer Krom are,” he said.
Prok May Oudom, a spokesman for the Interior Ministry’s identification department, denied that Khmer Krom were being discriminated against, but said Khmer Krom born outside the country could not receive ID cards.
Siem Reap City police chief Tith Narong also said that only Cambodian-born Khmer Krom were entitled to ID cards, adding that it was an “upper-level” order.
CCHR advocacy director Duch Piseth said the confusion around Khmer Krom citizenship rights was the result of a lack of a legal framework that reflected the government’s stance.
“Unfortunately, the government’s statements that Khmer Krom coming to Cambodia are to be considered Khmer citizens are worth little in practice, as the strict requirements of Cambodian law mean that Khmer Krom face difficulties realizing these rights,” Mr. Piseth said.
Khmer Krom in Cambodia, who may be born outside the country or lack a residential address, struggle to satisfy the stringent provisions of the laws and regulations governing the issuing of identification cards, which do not take into account the specific needs of this group.”

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... on n'a qu'à envoyer AYRAULT ; il est très bien cet homme-là (et il est Nantais , il peut prendre Aekreach comme Conseiller International !!!)

*** CF ces liens internet

- celui de ACT CAMBODIA
https://www.act.org.kh/report-citizenship-rights-for-khmer-krom-in-cambodia-jan2017/

Report: Citizenship Rights for Khmer Krom in Cambodia Jan2017
Published January 24, 2017 |


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