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Chine-Vietnam : Le risque d’un nouveau conflit

Sans remonter au Moyen-âge, il y a déjà eu deux conflits sino-vietnamiens dans la période récente, depuis l'indépendance du Vietnam.

Des émeutes antichinoises au Vietnam, encouragées en sous-main par le gouvernement de Hanoï, voilà qui peut cependant surprendre. En effet, on considère les deux pays le plus souvent comme des alliés, sinon des amis. Deux pays ayant un parti communiste au pouvoir et qui s'accommodent très bien d'une vaste ouverture capitaliste. Le Vietnam doit beaucoup à la Chine dans son combat pour l'indépendance, puis la réunification contre les Français d'abord et les Américains ensuite.
Mais les années ont passé. La Chine a aujourd'hui une politique internationale de grande puissance. Elle s'implante partout et elle a en Asie vis-à-vis de ses voisins, notamment du Vietnam, des revendications territoriales. De plus, comme cela s'est produit en Afrique, en Algérie notamment, mais aussi en Afrique noire, les Chinois ont envers les locaux une attitude souvent dominatrice qui pratique une sorte d'exclusion xénophobe qui passe de plus en plus mal.

Voilà plusieurs années que les relations entre la Chine et le Vietnam se sont tendues. En annonçant le déploiement d'une plate-forme de forage pétrolier en eau profonde dans des eaux revendiquées par son voisin vietnamien, Pékin a mis le feu aux poudres. Emeutes antichinoises dans le centre du Vietnam, attaques d'usines... Il y aurait eu un nombre de morts indéterminés.
La tension qui règne autour des îlots Paracel ou Spratley a provoqué de vives manifestations antichinoises dans un pays peu habitué à laisser s'exprimer librement les manifestants. Selon les témoignages rapportés par différents médias, les forces de l'ordre vietnamiennes, présentes sur place, n'auraient pas freiné ces débordements et seraient restées passives. Selon des experts, le gouvernement vietnamien permet certaines manifestations comme un moyen d'exprimer son extrême mécontentement envers Pékin. La Chine a d'ailleurs évoqué la «connivence» du gouvernement d'Hanoï dans ces manifestations.
Les tensions bilatérales ont fortement augmenté depuis l'annonce par Pékin, début mai, du déploiement d'une plate-forme de forage pétrolier en eau profonde dans les eaux contestées. La tension entre les deux pays n'est cependant pas exceptionnelle. Elle avait même débouché sur une guerre en 1979 (et un autre conflit très localisé en 1984).
Eh oui! Il y a déjà eu une guerre sino-vietnamienne oubliée dans le monde, c'est vrai, mais pas dans les deux pays. En effet, il y a 35 ans, du 17 février au 16 mars 1979, la République populaire de Chine lança une offensive sur la frontière nord de son ancien allié vietnamien. A la problématique sécuritaire posée par l'alliance vietnamo-soviétique, s'ajoutent contre le Vietnam des prétentions territoriales issues de la tradition impériale chinoise datant d'avant la révolution communiste de 1949. En premier lieu, la Chine populaire réclame ainsi la révocation des dispositions du Traité de Tianjin qui avait établi, à la suite de la guerre sino-française, les frontières terrestres et maritimes du Vietnam en faveur de ce dernier. En second lieu, pour la Chine, l'Asie du Sud-est constitue un pré carré traditionnel aux «marches de l'empire» qu'il convient absolument de contrôler et que le Vietnam menace par sa volonté d'imposer son hégémonie aux pays de la région, en particulier sur le Cambodge. Cependant, si le but de l'offensive chinoise est bien de venir en aide à l'allié cambodgien, Pékin affichera un tout autre prétexte pour justifier son attaque: le casus belli chinois de cette guerre, c'est le mauvais traitement fait par le Vietnam à sa minorité d'origine chinoise... On est proche de la situation d'aujourd'hui!
Cette guerre, d'une durée de quelques semaines, fut une «guerre de proximité de basse intensité». L'origine de ce conflit s'inscrit dans le cadre de la rupture sino-soviétique, le Viêt Nam communiste étant soutenu par l'Union soviétique. Le conflit marque également la volonté chinoise de réaffirmer sa prédominance en Asie, suite à l'invasion du Cambodge par le Viêt Nam qui provoque la fin du Kampuchéa démocratique, le régime des Khmers rouges proches des maoïstes. La Chine envoie son armée qui pénètre dans le nord du Viêt Nam puis se retire au bout d'un mois.
Mais il y a eu également un autre conflit en 1984.
Après la guerre sino-vietnamienne de 1979, le Mont Laoshan est utilisé par les forces vietnamiennes comme observatoire pour diriger des coups de main (raids) de grande envergure en Chine. En février-avril 1984, des incidents frontaliers conduisent à cette bataille en règle avec préparations d'artillerie et charges d'infanterie. La milice locale des paysans et montagnards vietnamiens se sont chargés de mettre en œuvre les positions défensives. Les Chinois occupent cette position et s'en retirent quelques heures après.
Il y a déjà eu des guerres entre les deux pays, limitées, mais qui montrent bien l'opposition entre les prétentions chinoises et vietnamiennes en Asie du Sud-est... Nous vivons un nouvel épisode d'une rivalité moderne qui a des racines dans un passé très lointain.

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Deux frères qui se bouffent , ce n'est pas nouveau .
La chine va certainement gonfler ou enrichir H.S , car en cas de conflit armée , le Cambodge est frontalier .
Comme quoi , dans ce coin de monde , il faut pas grand chose pour se taper dessus .
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Qu’ils se tapent dans la gueule, on en a rien n’a foudre, seulement ils entrainent le Cambodge dans leurs conflits. Non je n’accuse pas les autres. Seulement on peut voir encore dans les pages de l’histoire :
Si on remonte un peu dans l’histoire khmère, on voit que sous la dynastie Song, le roi khmer Hassvarman III (1076) est contraint par la chine de mener une guerre contre le Dayviet, pendant que le général chinois Quach Qui parte de Lang Son , attaque LY thuong kiet à Nghe An.


J'aime pas sa façon de parler, "Sans remonter au Moyen-âge", un revers de main à couper court toute autres questions comme si elles ne sont pas importantes, ce qui l'est c'est dont je parle,
Et de la part d'un grand journaliste de son niveau. :-P
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Anti-China Protester Dies in Vietnam

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESSMAY 23, 2014


HANOI, Vietnam — A Vietnamese woman died on Friday after setting herself on fire in downtown Ho Chi Minh City to protest China’s positioning of an oil rig in waters claimed by Vietnam, the state news media reported.

The woman, 67, set herself on fire in front of Reunification Palace around 6 a.m., the newspaper Thanh Nien reported.

The paper quoted a top city official, Le Truong Hai Hieu, as saying that the police recovered seven handwritten banners that read “Demand unity to smash the Chinese invasion plot” and “Support Vietnamese coast guards and fishermen,” among other statements.

China’s deployment of the rig on May 1 in the South China Sea has caused outrage in Vietnam, which for years has disputed China’s claims to the waters, which are potentially rich with oil and gas deposits.

The Vietnamese government clamped down on street protests after they escalated into riots that left three Chinese citizens dead and damaged scores of foreign-owned factories.

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Un navire chinois a percuté et coulé un bateau de pêche vietnamien non loin de la zone où la Chine a installé une plate-forme pétrolière dans des eaux revendiquées par les deux pays, a annoncé, mardi 27 mai, le chef des garde-côtes du Vietnam.

Les dix marins à bord ont été secourus par des bateaux de pêche vietnamiens naviguant à proximité, a déclaré Nguyen Quang Dam, ajoutant que l'incident s'était produit à environ 17 milles marins (environ 31 kilomètres) de la plate-forme pétrolière, en mer de Chine méridionale.

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Ce nouvel incident s'est produit dans la zone disputée des archipels des Paracels. Cette installation avait suscité des violences antichinoises meurtrières au Vietnam, les plus sévères depuis des décennies, conduisant la Chine à évacuer des milliers de ses ressortissants.

Le Vietnam et la Chine se disputent de longue date les archipels des Paracels et des Spratleys, dont les fonds sont présumés riches en pétrole et qui constituent d'importantes voies maritimes internationales.

Ce nouvel incident survient alors que des bateaux vietnamiens et chinois se provoquent régulièrement dans cette zone, Chine et Vietnam s'accusant mutuellement d'être à l'origine des incidents. Le Japon, confronté lui aussi aux revendications de souveraineté maritimes de la Chine en mer de Chine orientale, a vivement réagi mardi à cette annonce.

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Northeast primed for colonisation: Rainsy

The Yeak Laom Lake, Ratanakiri is one of the Tourist Attractions in Ratanakiri.- explorer-cambodia

Aerial view of Yak Loum Lake, Rattanakiri Cambodia - wikimedia

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Cambodia National Rescue Party president Sam Rainsy yesterday called on residents in the northeast provinces to defend their land lest the area be turned into a Vietnamese “colony”.

Rainsy’s comments were quickly condemned by both the Cambodian and Vietnamese governments.

Speaking to hundreds of people in Mondulkiri and Ratanakkiri provinces yesterday as part of a wide-ranging tour to meet supporters, Rainsy said the government has granted thousands of hectares of land to private companies that are Khmer in name only and really belong to Vietnam.

In rhetoric that is now familiar, the opposition leader warned that the companies will allow floods of Vietnamese people into the region, effectively colonising the land.

“This is not immigration. Immigration is different from colonialism. An immigrant is a foreigner who enters each country to find an occasion to live for himself. But a colonist is not a normal immigrant, a colonist does not go back. A colonist serves a political plan to take the neighbouring territory,” Rainsy said.

He added that the Vietnamese can then vote to secede from Cambodia and become part of Vietnam. He also urged people to defend their forests, fields and farms, but did not specify the means.

Council of Ministers spokesman Phay Siphan said Rainsy misunderstood the nature of investment. Cambodia does not discriminate against any country that wants to invest in the country, he said, and moreover, Cambodia will not be controlled by another country.

“We do not let our country be a slave of any country,” he said. “Excellency Sam Rainsy’s language is just an allegation for political popularity,” Siphan said.

Tran Van Thong, a Vietnamese Embassy spokesman in Phnom Penh, said Rainsy’s accusation is groundless.

“Vietnamese companies that invest in Cambodia have respected Cambodian law, international law and Vietnamese law. So for his accusation, I don’t know about his idea. Vietnam does not have this idea, [Vietnam] has the idea of friendship and cooperation,” he said.

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Oh regardez les, ils font pipi dans l'eau comme nous. Les Yircknames sont des humains; je pensais qu'ils étaient des animaux.

Ce que vous avez volé aux khmers, attendez-vous donc que celà arrivera à vous aussi. Ok. kékéké

June 16, 2014

Deputy Minister calls for international support for Vietnam

VietNamNet Bridge - Deputy Minister of Culture, Sports and Tourism Mr. Huynh Vinh Ai on Saturday urged international friends and lovers of peace to raise their voices in support for Vietnam In the East Sea dispute.

Thousands of people attend a meeting on Vietnam’s marine sovereignty at the Port of Tinh Hoa in the central city of Quang Ngai on Saturday.

Huynh spoke at a meeting held in Quang Ngai province that discussed communications about Vietnam’s border, sea and islands.

In his speech, Ai condemned China’s illegal placement of its floating oil rig in Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone and continental shelf, calling it a serious violation of the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the East Sea (DOC).

“Vietnam has sufficient historical and legal evidence to prove its sovereignty over Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) archipelagos.” Ai said.

According to Ai, although Chinese marine surveillance and fishing vessels frequently collided and rammed Vietnamese ishing boats, Vietnam has always used peaceful means and taken advantage of every opportunity for dialogue to resolve tfhe situation peacefully. At this moment, each Vietnamese citizen needs to unite for a peaceful Vietnam and territorial integrity.

"In the struggle to defend our sovereignty in the East Sea, the Vietnamese people believe that regional countries and international friends all over the world, and the peace-loving people in China will raise their voice of justice to support Vietnam," said Ai.

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"In the struggle to defend our sovereignty in the East Sea, the Vietnamese people believe that regional countries and international friends all over the world, and the peace-loving people in China will raise their voice of justice to support Vietnam," said Ai.



Bullshiit! vous aimez la guerre. Vous vivez grâce à la guerre. Quel peuple au monde a fait des guerres et a battus les trois grands puissants du monde? Et les moins puissants aussi; khmers, Laos,....




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“We are enraged. We are very angry ''

Eh ben imagines-toi donc Trong Treu Dong , les Khmers khroms, Les khmers, les Laosiens ont le même sentiment que toi, mais envers toi.


Q and A: 'Brave, patriotic' Vietnam challenges China


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'We don't fear anything,' the Vietnamese ambassador tells Rappler as he slams China's 'dream' to claim the entire South China Sea


Paterno Esmaquel II, Jun 18, 2014

MANILA, Philippines – “We are enraged. We are very angry.”

With words as firm as these, the Vietnamese ambassador denounced China's “dream” of a 9-dash line, the demarcation mark that China uses to claim virtually the entire South China Sea.

“We don't fear anything,” Vietnamese Ambassador to the Philippines Truong Trieu Duong told Rappler.

Vietnam, after all, has a long tradition of ejecting its conquerors – including China, in 938 AD – throughout its 2,000-year history.

Duong sat down for a wide-ranging interview on May 29, which covered Vietnam's thoughts on China as well as the United States, their country's next possible moves, and its views on the Philippines in the South China Sea dispute.

The following stories on Rappler covered two main points from the interview:

Below, Rappler is publishing other parts of the interview about the country Duong described as “brave and patriotic.”

RAPPLER: Your country has a long history of fighting and defeating colonizers. And recently we see the Vietnamese engaging in some riots related to the sea dispute. Where do these sentiments come from?

DUONG: I think that actually, we are enraged. We are very angry about what China has done in the South China Sea, and sometimes this sentiment has been demonstrated, but some people have actually overreacted, and we really, in the government, are opposed to that. We don't agree. We don't agree. And that's why we have tried to help all those enterprises and the business community and those who have been affected by those riots. And we are trying, we bring the violators to court, and there are several violators, and those who some kind of incite people. And as I told you, we don't agree with that. And that's why we are trying to help to bring law back to order, and now most of the factories that have been ransacked and actually they have come back to business and production as usual already. So things are calming down.

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À cet effet , le yirckname a déjà creusé des tunels au dessous de la mer jusqu'aux plate-formes pétroliers chinois kékéké



Vietnam should prepare for all scenarios in China oil spat: Party chief


Nguyen Phu Trong, the chief of the Communist Party of Vietnam, is seen speaking to electors at a meeting in Hanoi on July 1, 2014.


NB: A good neighbour would not take advantage of others in times of great strife. Vietnam has sadly and remorselessly done this consistently to all its weaker neighbours.


‘We don’t have the right to select a neighbor’ [Sic!]


The chief of the Communist Party of Vietnam has said the country should prepare for all scenarios, including war, amid tension with China over an oil rig Beijing has unlawfully positioned in Vietnamese waters in the East Vietnam Sea since May 1.


“Many have asked what if war comes. We have to prepare for all possibilities. But we don’t want war and we’ll try to prevent it,” Party General Secretary Nguyen Phu Trong told electors in Hanoi on Tuesday.


Trong said the Vietnamese government has consistently followed the policy of fighting through peaceful measures and fighting in compliance with international law and high-level agreements reached by the two nations.


“We will use all peaceful measures, including legal action,” he stated.


‘We don’t have the right to select a neighbor’


The Party leader underlined that the East Vietnam Sea issue is very important and has become the concern of the whole country and international community over the last two months.


He added that this issue is related to Vietnam’s stability and development, national independence and sovereignty, and the friendship with China. “China is a big neighbor. So whether we like it or not, we still have to live close to that country. We don’t have the right to select a neighbor,” Trong elaborated.


The top official said Vietnam has sought to coexist peacefully with China but at the same time resolutely asserted its independence and sovereignty. However, he admitted that it is difficult for Vietnam to do the two tasks concurrently.


According to Trong, Vietnamese leaders have expressed the State’s and Party’s stance at many international forums.


“We have clearly stated that China’s deployment of its oil rig to Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone and continental shelf violates international law and infringes on Vietnam’s sovereignty and high-level agreements between the two Communist Parties and two States,” Trong said.

“We’ve strongly denounced the positioning of the drilling platform and demanded that China remove it from the Vietnamese waters. We have made no concession,” he added.

According to the Party chief, China has the intention of realizing its cow’s tongue line or nine-dash line in order to occupy the East Vietnam Sea and to claim that Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly) archipelagos are their own.


“Hoang Sa and Truong Sa belong to Vietnam. China is occupying Hoang Sa now. They used force twice to seize the archipelago, with the most recent assault happening in 1974, when we still did not liberate the southern part of the country. We will continue fighting to take Hoang Sa back,” Trong emphasized.


China has deployed hundreds of vessels, including warships, to guard the Haiyang Shiyou 981 oil rig that has been illicitly placed in the Vietnamese waters despite strong protests from Vietnam.


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Monsieur Minh, ministre des affaires étrangères yircknamien, veut la fin de l'embargo des États-Unis sur les armes. Sinon, il menace, d'aller se procurer des armes chez....les chinktoc.


Victor Beattie, VOA News

25 September 2014


WASHINGTON DC—
Vietnam’s Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh says, nearly 20 years after the two countries normalized relations, it is time to end what he calls the "abnormal" U.S. arms embargo on its former enemy. Minh, in a rare foreign policy statement, also warned the Asia-Pacific region faces an unprecedented risk of military conflict over territorial disputes.

Speaking in New York Wednesday at the Asia Society on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly session, Minh says, in light of last year’s Comprehensive Partnership agreement, bilateral relations between Washington and Hanoi are normal.

"…and the ban on lethal weapons to Vietnam is abnormal, so we [should] lift the ban meaning that the relationship is normal," he said.

Asked if lifting the ban might anger China, Minh responded "No."

"If we do not buy weapons from the United States, we still buy [weapons] from other countries. So, why should China be bothered by that?" he asked.

Senior Obama administration officials are quoted as saying discussions on easing the embargo are taking place in Washington and could result in a decision by the end of the year.


http://www.voacambodia.com/content/vietnam-deput...er-calls-for-end-of-us-arms-embargo/2462221.html

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US lifts 40-year arms ban to boost Vietnam sea defense


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General Martin Dempsey (R), chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, and General Do Ba Ty (L), deputy defense
minister and chief of general staff of the Vietnam People's Army, review an honour guard in Hanoi on August 14,
2014n a decision likely to anger China, the US is partly lifting a 40-year ban on arms sales to former foe Vietnam
to help boost defenses in the tense South China Sea.



By Jo Biddle | AFP News – Oct 03, 2014

The historic easing of the ban in place since the end of the Vietnam War in 1975 will only apply to maritime equipment, State Department officials stressed, and comes amid warming ties and as Hanoi makes "modest" improvements to human rights.

"What's driving this is not a sudden desire to transfer military equipment to Vietnam writ large, but a specific need in the region," said one official, highlighting what he called Vietnam's lack of capacity in the disputed waters and America's own national security interests.

"It's useful in trying to deal with the territorial disputes in the South China Sea to bolster the capacity of our friends in the region to maintain a maritime presence in some capacity."

Some 40 percent of the world's seaborne trade passes through the sea which is claimed in part by Vietnam, Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia, as well as China and the Philippines.

Although the United States has not taken sides in the territorial disputes, it has warned Beijing against "destabilizing actions" amid a series of tense maritime incidents.

Earlier this year, Beijing placed an oil rig in waters also claimed by Vietnam, sparking deadly riots in the Southeast Asian nation.

Secretary of State John Kerry informed his Vietnamese counterpart Pham Binh Min during talks Thursday of Washington’s move to adjust the current policy "to allow the transfer of defense equipment, including lethal defense equipment, for maritime security purposes only," a senior State Department official said.

Kerry later praised "the transformation" in Vietnam since the US normalized diplomatic relations two decades ago, calling it "nothing short of amazing."




US Secretary of State John Kerry (R) and Vietnamese Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh
arrive on October 2, 2014 before a working lunch at the State Department in Washington, DC


"Vietnam has become a modern nation and an important partner of the United States. And (when) we talk to the young people in Vietnam you can feel the enthusiasm for the potential of the future," he told a US-ASEAN business council dinner.

- Not 'anti-China' -

A prohibition on sales of other kinds of lethal weapons, such as tanks, will stay in place as Washington pushes Hanoi to improve its human rights situation.

US officials denied the policy change was "anti-China" and insisted they had no specific sales to outline so far, but would consider each request from Hanoi on a "case-by-case" basis.

And they sought to allay any concerns from Beijing saying it was purely a defensive measure.

"We're not talking about destabilizing systems, we're talking about defensive capabilities... These are not things that are going to tip the regional balance," a second State Department official said, also asking not to be named.

Any sales would be done in close consultation with the US Congress, and would be heavily focused on equipping the Vietnamese coastguard, the State Department officials said.

So far, Washington has only been allowed to sell unarmed patrol boats to the Vietnamese coastguard since a total ban on military sales was lifted in 2006. That could now change, for example, the officials said.

And they acknowledged that airborne defense systems would also be considered for sale if they included a maritime capacity.

"This policy supports Vietnam's efforts to improve its maritime domain awareness and maritime security capabilities," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters.

Officials said however that the easing of the ban did not mean all arms sales were now on the table to the communist-run authorities amid continuing concerns about rights such as freedom of expression and religion.

"It's not an indication that we are going to provide all lethal assistance now, it just simply says we can remove what has been a hinderance to our ability to provide legitimate maritime capacity," the second unnamed State Department official said.


http://kimedia.blogspot.ca/2014/10/us-lifts-40-year-arms-ban-to-boost.html

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